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Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 03:46:00 - [1] OK, here I am to ask CCP why they won't introduce a mechanism, a skillset that players can use to remove nuisance Cloakers who are only there to ruin the gameplay of other players who are trying to enjoy this game that they pay good money for? Come on CCP, surely you can admit that almost everyone is sick and tired of being locked down by some griefer in a system when in this game there are many ways available to give us skillsets that can make the balance a little more even. Cloaking griefers are not players in the whole sense of the word. They are spoiling the game's strategy because in itself afk cloaking is a strategy that cannot be beaten/defeated at all and that is unfair. You have balanced many other things in the game and for every armor or shield or power supply there is a way to defeat or enhance, but when it comes to cloaking and going afk nothing can be done and many players are throwing good money after bad on this game to log in and find yet again gametime wasted day after day by the same old cloaky-griefers. DO SOMETHING TO STOP THIS!! PLEASE!!!! Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 04:09:00 - [2] Originally by: Sergeant Spot Having said all that, if you have some brillant idea that keeps things dangerous and does NOT make raiding become suicide, by all means, speak.... Well, I doubt I could have an idea that hasn't been suggested by many others somewhere, I did have a glimmer of an idea where maybe a team skillset would be needed that would allow a determind number of scanning pilots to eventually reveal a cloaked ships position. Maybe if three or five players were required with level five, advanced, expensive skillsets and very expensive scanner modules needed to reveal a cloaked ship,and some acceptable difficulty to reveal the target then the tables may be turned and the Cloaky-Griefer may feel some of the pressure system players in 0.0 feel when a red is cloaked waiting for them with his hot-dropping mods on. Surely the strength of feeling about the imbalance of afk cloaking isn't totally apathetic? Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 04:18:00 - [3] Edited by: Rajheen Orlox on 02/09/2010 04:18:50 Originally by: Cipher Jones There is a mechanic to remove cloakers. Doi. You mean introduce one that benefits YOU. Then we can get ass****d even harder by gatecampers. No thank you OP, no thank you. I aint asking for a benefit just an even chance to defeat something that CANNOT be defeated at this point in the game. After all afk Cloaky-griefers have plenty to lose like their pay for being there eh? Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 04:26:00 - [4] Originally by: Lance Fighter what about... catching them before they get to your system Could never work. You cant possibly seal a system completely and sealing a larger area is dreamland. baiting them out really you are not exp[erienced in this are you? Oh heres some cheese, oh didnt work (Cloaky Griefer spotted the trick..) everyone leave so they cant gather any real intel It's not intel they are after it's the stymying of ductive mining and industry and even ratting to destroy morale. hint: Think a little bit smarter than you do to run missions. Hint: Think a little bit smarter than you just did. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 04:28:00 - [5] Edited by: Rajheen Orlox on 02/09/2010 04:31:43 What do you have to lose if they are afk? You don't want them to find out you were cybering to 4chan in local chat? No seriously what is it? ---------OK--------------- Seriously, they afk most of the time to stop corporations in systems being productive. No more ****** q's please. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 04:36:00 - [6] I think you may be missing the point. Now read it slowly so you miss nothing. The mechanic in the gameplay is undefeatable. Nothing else in the game is so totally one-sided. Therefore it is unbalanced. I am requesting balance. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 04:41:00 - [7] Originally by: Aessoroz It's is unbeatable, you do realize that bombers are paper ****in thin right? Any ratter with brains and that doesn't afk can pop it. What are you waffling on about? There are other ships than cloakers... Jeez man try to be clever elsewhere.. lol Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 04:45:00 - [8] Originally by: Lance Fighter damn, wheres AFK Cloaker when you need him.. You would probably know better than I.. I can smell your distaste at the thought of losing an easy income. It will be so lovely when they do make Cloaky-Griefer a thing of the past as surely they must. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 04:50:00 - [9] Edited by: Rajheen Orlox on 02/09/2010 04:52:03 Originally by: Vaal Erit AFK cloaking only works against noob fail alliances. These alliances are full of massively fail dolts that will not cooperate with their alliance or anyone else really. They don't get into intel channels, they don't use voice comms, they just go around 0.0 pve'ing solo in stupidly expensive fit ships and die while anyone with a couple of brain cells do not. You could easily have a few members get into recon ships or into a counter drop squad or god forbid actually gather in a group for safety and do PvE activities. But no, you are too greedy to do such things. You want to solo in your carrier in 0.0 and do sanctums risk-free. If a hostile ever comes into local, you dock up and/or log. AFK cloaking evolved as a tactic because it was the only method available to catch a lot of 0.0 residents. If you live in 0.0 you should have to fight for it. This is EVE, this is 0.0, this is conflict, this is pvp. If you cannot handle it then HTFU or GTFO. What a load of absolute rot. You would have that we have to play the game in your way and turn ourselves into little regiments that you insist will make us all better? It doesnt matter what plans you make or prepare against Cloaky-Griefers you cannot call it even when one player has the ability to destroy so much gameplay for so many people because an ommision in game play mechanichs balancing has given him an inestimable advantage. All your tough talk and spouting is no reason to have a mechanic that is totally utterly one sided in the game. If I were to bring several dozen ships in to reveal a Cloaky-Griefer who is to say that we could ever have him reveal himself? You talk B***ocks. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 04:56:00 - [10] Originally by: Mr SmartGuy Every time I see something from the troll/r and at the end, asking CCP to commit to excelence to cover anything else. It's a fair request.. But please your donations are attracting more reads per reply. I just want an unfair game mechanic balanced out. Why wouldn't you? (No, dont bore me...) Raj.

Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 04:58:00 - [11] Originally by: Umega Dear OP, Here is a good fix to what appears to be your problem.. delayed null-low local (I'd prefer it in highsec too, personally). Then, you won't even know they are there to begin with.. crisis averted! Well, unless they want you to know.. then it just gets even more fun. Interesting.. A cross thread hijack. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 05:01:00 - [12] Originally by: Lance Fighter Originally by: Rajheen Orlox Originally by: Mr SmartGuy Every time I see something from the troll/r and at the end, asking CCP to commit to excelence to cover anything else. It's a fair request.. But please your donations are attracting more reads per reply. I just want an unfair game mechanic balanced out. Why wouldn't you? (No, dont bore me...) Raj. ok, lets pretend for a moment.... Instead of afk cloaker, we have corporate spy. Is corporate spy any less dangerous than an afk cloaker? Nope. Does he get in pretty much the same way, just as easily? If not easier. Yes, but he doesnt stop anyone from being able to enjoy the game because he's employing a totally un-defeatable tactic. See? Maybe you used a bad metaphore there. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 05:06:00 - [13] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Originally by: Rajheen Orlox Originally by: Mr SmartGuy Every time I see something from the troll/r and at the end, asking CCP to commit to excelence to cover anything else. It's a fair request.. But please your donations are attracting more reads per reply. I just want an unfair game mechanic balanced out. Why wouldn't you? (No, dont bore me...) Raj. Tons of reads and look at all the support! Know one thinks your ret***ed! You win EVE! For you this is about posting as many abusive remarks as you can to any OP willing to oblige.. For me it's about balance. I am also a realist I know theres virtually no chance CCP changing things I've been here long enough to know that! I also know that of the many who read and support me maybe only one or two will actually support by typing because the professional flak from people like yourselves is pretty off putting (And sad..). Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 05:12:00 - [14] Lance (Boil?) Lol picking at the ettiquette reveals you as a true post planter. Lool. Busting an alliance hardly destroys it. If it's people are strong and motivated, well, it'll start making heaps of isk the very next day so that metaphore does.. Really Suck. 2 from 10 think of another (Teacher.) Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 05:15:00 - [15] Originally by: Lance Fighter Originally by: Rajheen Orlox the professional flak from people like yourselves is pretty off putting (And sad..). Raj. ... im not sure if i should be taking this as a compliment or an insult Just take it. I must take a break and go to bed.. I will return tomorrow and see what's happening here.. Dont be too harsh it demeans your arguments. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 05:22:00 - [16] Edited by: Rajheen Orlox on 02/09/2010 05:25:27 Originally by: Lance Fighter Originally by: Rajheen Orlox Lance (Boil?) Lol picking at the ettiquette reveals you as a true post planter. Lool. Busting an alliance hardly destroys it. If it's people are strong and motivated, well, it'll start making heaps of isk the very next day so that metaphore does.. Really Suck. 2 from 10 think of another (Teacher.) Raj. kk. Raj (broski?) Lol ignoring ettiquette reveals you as a true poast playah. LOOL. AFK cloaking in a system hardly renders it useless. If it's people are strong and motivated, well, they will start making heaps of isk that very day so that metaphore does.. Really suck. -12/10. -Lance Lol couldnt resist one final reply. You forget that in every single alliance (Worth it's salt..) there is a HUGE amount of Empire pilots making isk in the markets and the belts and through PI now and missions etc. No alliance dies because of a single event unless that includes a politically destructive force that breaks its membership of economically seperate Corporations apart. The Point? A single Cloaky-Griefer has the ability to stagnate a system by simply being there undetectable for unreasonable lengths of game-time using a tactic that has no counter tactic. It's unbalanced. Nil points for the metaphore. Goodnight. 07! Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 05:27:00 - [17] Originally by: Lance Fighter any alliance worth its salt can deal with an afk cloaker. Nuff said. No they cannot... You cannot tell me how nor can anyone. There is no counter tactic. It's unbalanced. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 13:58:00 - [18] Originally by: Zagdul Edited by: Zagdul on 02/09/2010 11:29:24 Don't like the cloaky guy in your system, get in a ship bait him with a fleet of your friends. From your US TZ FC.. GL HF. Thats Rich!! Because you cant and don't do anything either! I repeat there is NO way to defeat a Cloaky Greifer and I will pay any one a billion isk to PROVE there is a methed that works to reveal a random Cloaky Griefers position. Come on clever guys your so abundant in here. Now tell us all what your empty arguments are really worth I have 9 bil in my account and want to give a bil away. No silly stupid comments or ignorance that will never work just a proven method. Because there is none. You cannot defeat something as unbalanced as Cloaky griefing. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:10:00 - [19] Originally by: Scott Ryder Originally by: Kireiina It is poor game design that a cloaked ship can project force while AFK with no practical means of retaliation. Either there should be some way of tracking down a poor or AFK cloaker or the cloak effect needs some sort of maximum duration. But, eh, it's CCP so maybe they'll do something about it in a couple of years. Either that or people could stop whining about it and playing the game as it is? If we play the game as it is it will NEVER get better, thankfully, stooges like yourself have no say in the ongoing development of this game. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:14:00 - [20] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Rajheen Orlox I repeat there is NO way to defeat a Cloaky Greifer Yes there is: don't let him grief you. It's really that simple. This is just a sound byte worthless in actual content and not applicable to the fact that Cloaks are utterly imbalanced and that they are the only tactic in the game other players can do NOTHING about. (Including yourself..) If you are never concerned about a Cloaked ship in 0.0 then you are a fool or a liar. Raj.

Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:16:00 - [21] Originally by: Riedle this thread has griefed me more than an AFK Cloaker has griefed you. All the idiots defending the undefendable Grief me too. The idiots slinging abuse are a laugh though. hehe :) Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:18:00 - [22] Originally by: Alara IonStorm This is just a sound byte worthless in actual content and not applicable to the fact that Cloaks are utterly imbalanced and that they are the only tactic in the game other players can do NOTHING about. (Including yourself..) If you are never concerned about a Cloaked ship in 0.0 then you are a fool or a liar. Raj. We are concerned, we just don't wet ourselves and cry on the forums. Has someone suggested wormholes for you yet? Im neither wetting nor crying, but its good to see you living up to your unusually low heights :) Cant think of a reason to earn yourself a billion yet? Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:24:00 - [23] Originally by: Loki Sei Edited by: Loki Sei on 02/09/2010 14:19:25 Want to talk about unbalanced, I spend all this Isk on a cloaky ship, invest the skills to be able to have you not see me, and CCP requires me to plug into every local channel in 0.0 where they dont even have any authority. I want a skill set, or maybe a team skill set, where we as a fleet can, despite the ships we are in, not have to plug into local. I mean there is no way to counter your omnipotent, intelligence gather device that CCP enforces with no authority. OP, stop trying to turn 0.0 into your personal sandbox and realize that the game does not revolve around you. Don't like the fact a Cloaky ship can ruin your Isk making potential, move back to high sec. I see your point and have no problem with "intelligence gathering.." but you have some requirements first. You need actual intelligence. Why you should be allowed to flourish using the one thing in the game that is unbeatable by design and more likely ommission creating just plain imbalance. All I am asking for is balance. All you are asking for is status quo. So want a game advantage that should not be there. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:26:00 - [24] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Originally by: Destruct0 I think we should all bring 1 cloaky ship to the op's home system. Who's with me? :P We need to create an alt corp for this purpose. Everytime someone creates a thread on this, boom 50 AFK stealthbombers in his home system! Do it! CCP would HAVE to start taking notice of that kind of crap wouldnt they! Your becoming lower than your proverbial sausage dog. Nice one! Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:38:00 - [25] All those clever sh+ts and not ONE of them can actually come up with a way to defeat a Cloaking Griefer (Reveal his position, trap him, kill him..) because they all KNOW the REAL argument isnt about "Intelligence Gathering" or being a carebear.. It's about them having an exploit that pays them to sit in a system (Usually one without a station.. Maybe a POS or 2..) and put a stop to corp production such as mining and just be there for the unstoppable "Grief" factor. this ruins the game for the majority of players in that system. Why? Because Cloaky Griefing is the only tactic that has NO counter Tactic. They know this. They use this. They profit from it. the game is unalanced for those of us who can do nothing against them. they tell us all there's lots we can do. 1 Billion isk to the person who can reveal a determined Cloaky Griefer succesfully time after time.. As long as the game isn't modiified to fix it, the isk is safe. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:42:00 - [26] Originally by: Myz Toyou Edited by: Myz Toyou on 02/09/2010 14:37:24 So we have a 0.0 ex- Golem owner who is mad over his own fault ( his fault = ratting angels in a 1bil ship that could be done in a 50mil ship ) and we have MatrixSkye Mk2, the Robin Hood of all ******ed ppl on tranq, now we miss only Cat o'Ninetails and this thread is complete. @OP: -07/10 Cya in your ratting system Im not mad over the Golem that was nothing to do with Cloaking. I'm just mad at the regular use of Cloaky Griefing. It exploits a bad imbalance of the Cloaking mod. Namely that it runs forever and there is no way of eventually beating it. I'd love a shield or armor that has these same magical qualities. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:56:00 - [27] Originally by: Ana Vyr "OK, here I am to ask CCP why they won't introduce a mechanism, a skillset that players can use to remove nuisance Cloakers who are only there to ruin the gameplay of other players who are trying to enjoy this game that they pay good money for?" You mean sort of like how gate campers, scammers, macroers, and suicide gankers ruin the gameplay of others who paid good money to play? Go figure. Cold harsh world remember? I agree that it's completely lame gameplay, but so are all those other things. You miss the point with classic alacrity ducking the real purpose of this thread as many others have because it's about an exploitable imbalance that cannot be defeated. It's about the exploit of a game mechanic (Cloaky Griefing..)that cannot be defeated. None of the above is even related to the problem, and isn't valid as an argument, I have no problem with them so, dont associate me with them please. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 15:00:00 - [28] Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Rajheen Orlox Edited by: Rajheen Orlox on 02/09/2010 05:28:52 Originally by: Lance Fighter any alliance worth its salt can deal with an afk cloaker. Nuff said. No they cannot... You cannot tell me how nor can anyone. There is no counter tactic. It's unbalanced. Raj. Yes, there is. decloak them and quit crying. Cypher even you in your great magnitudes of dumbness and incredible abusive personality couldn't earn yourself a billion telling me how to achieve this holy grail could you? Thought not. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 15:12:00 - [29] Originally by: Loki Sei First, you need to change the term to semi-AFK Griefer, cause we all know there is nothing to fear from a true AFK griefer. Know why are there no 23/7 AFK greifers in W-Space? Cause there is no point since we cant see them in W-space. So easy solution to your issue is to remove real time local chat. AHHH, but you dont WANT that, because it would make you even less comfortable running anoms in your Golum. No you want a way to find/kill something that you should not be seeing in the first place. And I would like you to post some kill mails where these repeated fleets keep hot dropping you. I expect it is your FEAR of these hot drops and not a series of actual hot drops that has you so worried. Just remember that once you accept the fact you are going to die, the fear of dieing loses its grip on you and you can do your job. I have actually dropped the term "AFK" deliberately for the last few posts reasoning (Like your very quick self..) that I just dont know if they are (AFK) or not. The rest of your post doesnt even help address the imbalance that exists in Cloaky Griefing and once again like others in this post just tries to HI-JACK the thread away from its true (Determined) purpose. Cloaky Griefing is a imbalance that has no tactic that can be used to defeat it. It's out of kilter and CCP PLEASE ignore these self-interested vocal supporters of an obviously dodgy game exploit and give us THE TOOLS to fight it fairly. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 15:26:00 - [30] Originally by: Freyya Edited by: Freyya on 02/09/2010 14:57:24 Ok, you keep changing the rules; 1st it was a way to reveal the cloaker, now it's time after time again. Anyways, send me my bill as i linked a killmail on page 3 that shows you how to do it. null Grief the griefer Provide a juicy target which he knows he can take or escape if it goes wrong, cloak a bomber next to it, wait till he makes a funrun or actually engages and shoot the crap out of him. If he doesn't take the bait after several belts/whatever then he's actually afk and thus nothing to worry about at that time. What also helps is to then have a few friends in system and this bit is important; They are ratting in PVP TANKED SHIPS INSTEAD OF YOUR COOKY CUTTER NPC FITS and can warp (stay in same fleet) in whenever sh+t hits the fan. They are making isk and are on standby in case. That's 2 ways to reveal, trap and kill a cloaker. Now i'm not greedy but i'll take the 1 bil instead of 2 for 2 ways to do it. Those solutions work every time after time so put up or shut up. The ball is now in your court. /me starts to wait on several more excuses to avoid putting up. Pointless post you just made that answered nothing. Your tactics rely on the Cloaky griefer uncloaking himself or changing what hes doing to satisfy your "Baiting " tactics.. Oh, Oh, here's some cheese. Oh he didnt take it. Guess that's a good tactic huh? Oh hang on lets fly into a rat infested level eight plex and be in pvp ships. - OOh thats not good my PvP setup dont work too good in here. Oh lol he hot dropped a dozen others on top of me and because the rats were targetting me too I got var-nigh insta popped. (Along with all my friends who came here to run a plex..) in their seriously weakened ships. For fun you know. That thing we all do this game for. Oh that cant happen when you have ships that cannot be detected at any time and can call in dozens of others when they like (Or not..) but we dont know that because we cant see them, dont know their shiptype or even if they're afk or awake. Thats a bent mechanic. I owe you nothing. You cannot even reveal a Cloaky Griefer by design. My isk will be safe (Oh and when they do change it I naturally withdraw the offer..) You have no intelligent argument. 1 Bil to reveal, catch and kill reguarly Cloaky Griefers. Come collect. It's safe. Raj.

Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 15:29:00 - [31] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Rajheen Orlox It's about the exploit of a game mechanic (Cloaky Griefing..)that cannot be defeated. You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means. Where is the "exploit?" What is the exploit? I agree but I cannot think of another word that describes the use of this ommission in balance when the mod was introduced. When it's used purely as a form of Grief I think that "Exploit.." suits it more than any other until it's fixed. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 15:33:00 - [32] Originally by: Riedle You owe Freyya One Billion ISK Your analysis of freyyas claim is weak and greedy. Sieze on something that makes sense. I ask that someone show me a method to repeatedly unveil, trap, and kill Cloaky Griefers who use the one undefeatable tactic in the game to profit. The Isk is very safe. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 15:35:00 - [33] Originally by: Pentinor Sounds like the op is mad he can't rat in peace....pro tip...go 1 jump over. Problem solved. No that just leaves the problem a jump behind you. No fix there. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 15:38:00 - [34] Originally by: DNSBLACK How to kill a griefing cloaker: 1. Wait till he decloaks. 2. Fire Gun or missle. 3. Tank his damage out put. 4. If he has friends come in make sure you have friends who will come to your rescue. 5. Fight it out. PVP is another term for it. 6. Retreat if you think you are going to lose or do what so many do so well from high sec die in a nice explosion and learn from the engagement and try again. Can I have the isk please or is that to complicated for you Lol you are funny wait till he decloaks. Yeah like here I am cloaked thers someone looking for me. So I decloak.. Haahahahahaha. Noob. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 15:44:00 - [35] Originally by: Razzor Death Originally by: Rajheen Orlox OK, here I am to ask CCP why they won't introduce a mechanism, a skillset that players can use to remove nuisance Cloakers ahahahahahahaha omg you're terrible, really you dont belong in 0.0 go back to high sec. Difference between a Carebear alliance/corp and a pvp alliance/corp. Cloaky griefer comes into system - Carebears dock up and cry like little ***gots. Cloaky griefer comes into system - pvps fleet up and send out a bait ship whilst they sit around him in recons waiting for him to bite, After they realise there is no bite they determine he is AFK and everyone continues to make money but in fleet ready to react to any recons or black ops dropped. You are litrally the meaning of terrible and you don't belong out of high sec. Get out. Lol pathetic and not addressing the thread in the least. The thread points to (Much to many folks's discomfort..) the imbalance that Cloaky Griefing is as a tactic. there is no strategy that can be used to defeat it even your above very up-front but totally inadequate response would be useless and where there is a pos or no pos no station would be worse than sh+t.. Lets hope guys like you still keep coming to be knocked down. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 15:46:00 - [36] Originally by: Razzor Death I hope the cloaky afkers kill your corp. You deserve no less Oooh. a Psycho in the ranks. Rattling the cage of a unfair advantage always does this to those making isk from it, doesnt it? Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 15:55:00 - [37] Originally by: Freyya Once again you show that you do nothing more than whine to whione because you have to play with the chance of PvP instead of playing on your own terms. I SOLO SANCTUMS WITH MY DOMI THAT'S OMNITANKED AND DO 8/10's WITH 2-3 PEOPLE. I just showed you that you actually fail at doing plexes. Getting swarmed by more of them proves your intel fails. OP proved it himself..he fails and uses nothing but excusses to keep his whine up. I suggest everyone let him rot in his own whines. Even refuses to pay up his wager making up new rules to it as he get's owned by the answers time and time again. Do us all a favor and just ragequit....sheesh, some people need to be sterilised i swear.. You should see a doctor about that hate thing. This thread is entirely about the the only thing in the game that has no defence or counter tactic when every single other pilot-ownable item or skill is just the opposite and beatable on skill dependancy. Thats what really hurts isnt it? cary on with your impotent empty sacks and try griefing me away from this thread loser. Ain't happening. :) Cause your very funny. Before I ever "Ragequit.." I'm going to **** a lot of you off revealing you for the game twisting set of griefing as+ha+s you really are. I would lay money that you would never say that me or anyone face to face because your'e a cheapshot yellowbacked griefer in the forums only. Loser. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 15:58:00 - [38] Originally by: SurrenderMonkey There should be some sort of automatic one week ban that kicks in every time someone makes a new thread about cloaks. Hmm might get noticed someday.. Meanwhile, Suppress all dissenters! Worriesome aint it? Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 16:02:00 - [39] Originally by: Zagdul 1. Join a fleet. You may find your words are a little empty. 2. To counter, get some people in the alliance to bait them. We've done this before, we got our asses kicked but we tried. Learned a few things also and will carry on to attempt a bait again someday. I'll take my isk. This is your counter. Zag.. Baiting depends entirely upon the guy doing the Cloaky Griefing revealing himself to you. I'm not asking for a charitable action from the guy like that, I'm asking for a skillset from CCP to let me eventually find him myself. Thanks for your continued support. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 16:04:00 - [40] Originally by: Musical Fist HAHAHAHAHA NC Renters crying over not being able to macro rat, priceless Wrong. No macro ratters in system, and no rental. Never say something you cannot prove when cross examined. Raj.

Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 16:06:00 - [41] Originally by: Cipher Jones The thing about it is its not an unfair advantage. Its not unfair because you can stop it and you can do it yourself. No one has managed to show me how yet. Uuum including your very clever self. (Cough..!) Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 16:12:00 - [42] Originally by: Razzor Death OMG you are so ****ed I'm going to say it really slow so it gets in your blaintly ****ed carebear skull IF..CLOAKY...IN...SYSTEM...GET..IN...FLEET....AND...RAT...WITH..A...POINT...AND...READY ..TO..RESPOND...WHY...ARE...YOU....SO....BAD...AT...THIS...GAME... I'm tempted to get into my Arazu and come camp your system now. You are a pillock. Lol who says I'm ratting? Who says there are other guys in system with me? Who says we only get Cloaky Griefers at certain times of the the day? Your stupid little argument is shaped to throw abuse and is useless in defence of Cloaky griefing.. Purile really. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 16:19:00 - [43] Originally by: Surfs Down Raj - When the cloaky in your system reads this he aint never going to leave as the carebear tears are the best test. He is growing fat on the copius amounts you are spilling trust me. I cant see CCP ever changing the ability to remain cloaked indefinatly. It would break to much of how fleets work in 0.0 or even lowsec for that matter. What you are basically saying, and trust me we all get it, is by having this person in your 0.0 system perma cloaked is interfering with your safety factor and thus not allowing you to enjoy your game. We get that two. However just because you cannot decloak him does me the game mechanic should be changed because You are affected. Doing so would effect other game play styles in a way that would not be benifical to the greater eve community. You just are not willing to concede that point and your argumentative petulate stance renders any ground you may have had with your point useless. Ill even offer you another way to get him to leave. Pay him to leave. I made a lot of money off RA in the past to do just that. Wel surfs thats a really interesting argument and I respect the reasoned way it's been presented. Thanks for that at least, generally I'm disapointed with the flak (Sheer abuse..) thats come this way entertaining though it's been. I dont want to destroy Cloaking alltogether but I would like to see a way to reveal the cloakers by determined not easy methods and this could be made really difficult and expensive and time consuming but a bit like tracing a call on a telephone it would be absolute in the end. It would be certain. Thats not too much too ask and cloakers can still get an hour or 2 or maybe 3 from their skillset which by any standards is reasonable. Cheers. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 16:23:00 - [44] Originally by: Razzor Death nobody's supporting you we are telling you you are a moron and you are publicly telling everyone your alliance is so bad you cant deal with cloakys. Pure Blind F-NMX6 GA-P6C S-MDYI S4GH-I gogogogo No one can deal with Cloaky griefers.. Thank you. proof from the enemy camp. CCP take note if you are watching Redress the balance.. ? Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 16:31:00 - [45] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Rajheen Orlox I dont want to destroy Cloaking alltogether but I would like to see a way to reveal the cloakers by determined not easy methods and this could be made really difficult and expensive and time consuming but a bit like tracing a call on a telephone it would be absolute in the end. It would be certain. So instead of the "unbalanced" situation where they are (supposedly) 100% safe, you want the "balanced" situation where they are 100% unsafe. àeven though the notion that they are safe to begin with is 100% false. You are moving this out of context to protect your current ability to stay undetected for an indefinite (In game terms) time. That is an imbalance that this thread was designed to throw some light on. Nothing else in the game that is player owned or earned is 100 percent safe. The game should not award that dubious prize to a Cloaky griefer? Not unless I can impenatrable shield or forever cap or infinite armor. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 16:35:00 - [46] Originally by: Mithius Fear Quote: Lol who says I'm ratting? Who says there are other guys in system with me? Who says we only get Cloaky Griefers at certain times of the the day? And now we have figured out the motive to this thread. Raj is sat in some backwater system with his lone bot running. Somebody has worked this out and put a cloaky alt in there to mess with his bot. He is probably paying for use of the system so cant move somewhere else like anyone else would do. He only knows the guys is on 23/7 because is because his bot is not producing any loot. EVE player base response working as intended. The only people that would benefit removing perma cloak are players who run bots. I give total permission for ANY CCP official to check out my history now. You throw mud but oh look. It's not sticking. The game mechanic in the area of cloaking is bent and should be balanced, cloaking should certainly work, but persistent all day cloaking should be vulnerable to detection by any determined and suitably equipped force. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 16:38:00 - [47] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Rajheen Orlox No one can deal with Cloaky griefers.. àapart from everyone else but you in this very thread. Well, perhaps Adida can't either, but it's not really her position or role to say. Just one being able to would disprove your claim ù the fact that there are tons of us rather shows that it's simply you who are incapable. You (Yes you..) cannot defeat a Cloaky Griefer. At this time it's impossible to reveal one other than by accident. By design, not possible. We need a skillset to give us the capability. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 16:48:00 - [48] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Trippa He is in the dead forum now where he can spew all he wants. The Important thing is we got him off of GD. We can leave him here to bump his fail thread in peace. My thread drew attention from the trolls such as yourself and got some attention a lot of you didnt want to see coming this way. Your defence of a unbalanced game mechanic (The only UNDEFENDABLE mechanich in the game BTW..) is failing more than mine. I'll contact you when they drop the indefinite hidey trick and we'll see how your making isk then? CCP please redress the Cloaky Griefer imbalance. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 16:52:00 - [49] Originally by: Hauling Hal Raj, You keep stating that you can't beat a cloaky griefer, but the point is a cloaky giefer can't do anything to you 'AS HE IS CLOAKED'. Now, when he decloaks he can attack you, so your point now is that you get killed by someone that decloaks. Funnily enough, it is possible to kill someone that decloaks and some of us have ships setup specifically to do that. Please quit trying to justfiy your 'opinion' as fact, as the only likely outcome is that half the people reading this get a cloaking ship before heading to a locator agent. Oh thats like saying that an alliance in a station has no potential for damage. That argument is weak and starts at the premise that Mr. Cloaky Griefer has to reveal himself in front of you in range and in a easy poppable ship. So unless the situation exactly meets your criteria, where it often does NOT. Then situan Foobar. eh? Go figure. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 17:16:00 - [50] Originally by: DNSBLACK Edited by: DNSBLACK on 02/09/2010 17:01:34 Raj, Before we go any further please define "Cloaky Griefer". I think until you let us know what this type of game play is we can't give you a proper counter. This is a new term for 0.0 life that most of us who have lived here a long time dont understand what it means. We understand "Cloaky PVPer" or "Cloaky scout" but isnt grief a term you use when someone is preventing you from playing the game. Please let us know how this single cloaky guy is preventing you from play the game. Black I can see where you are going. But even superhuman PvP ers like you really cannot defend the indefensible. When someone cloaks up in a system where there are POS's etc and decides to stay hidden for the duration of the day. (Day after day..) he has only nuisance value. This as you well know is the definition of a "Cloaky Griefer.." he cloaks he's there to grief. It works, miners cannot mine, ratters cannot rat, etc etc. It may suprise you but not everyone is in 0.0 to PvP additionally, corps rarely have all their guys on at the same times.. There are varying levels of PvP capability and defence or offense and take a snapshot of any corp any time and it's rarely all the guys are there to do.. (Well do what? - Warp about the system shouting "I have cheese!" at the Griefer?)trying to bait him? Thats not his job is it? We cannot find him but only because none of us has a skillset that allows us to eventually disclose his position. We cannot pull that thorn. That includes yourself and any one else in the whole damned game. Raj.

Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 17:25:00 - [51] Originally by: Razzor Death Well its how the rest of us deal with it you moron and if your alliance can't then its back to highsec with you princess. But you are not dealing with anything are you? you are just supporting a failed mechanic that has no counter tactic that we as players can use to defeat Cloaky Griefers, Perma Cloakies whatever name you think it's important to call it. Grow up, man up and lose your unfair advantage to spoil the game by griefing. CCP Please even the balance and give us the skillsets to detect long term Cloaky griefers earning huge iskies by stealth. (Even if it takes us huge ammounts of effort and training.) We have real money to spend in RL and these griefers make it impossible to enjoy our gametime freely. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 17:27:00 - [52] Originally by: Aessoroz Originally by: Rajheen Orlox My thread drew attention from the trolls such as yourself and got some attention a lot of you didnt want to see coming this way. Your defence of a unbalanced game mechanic (The only UNDEFENDABLE mechanich in the game BTW..) is failing more than mine. I'll contact you when they drop the indefinite hidey trick and we'll see how your making isk then? CCP please redress the Cloaky Griefer imbalance. Raj. I want to have you set red so so so badly. Oh Yawn! Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 17:39:00 - [53] Originally by: darius mclever Fixed it for you. ------No you just dribbled------------------- The thing is pretty simple. be prepared to fight or run all the time. especially in 0.0. If the cloaked guy can harm you, you can harm him. Now go and prepare. (just one week without cloak whine from nc pets.... just one week.) he may not harm just me.. maybe he's out to harm a mining fleet with a hot drop? Of say fifty odd ships the odd dreadnought perhaps. Oh yeah I'm ready for that.. Me an my corp. Realistically your argument doesn't hold warm water pal and doesnt solve a real imbalance in the game that is not being currently addressed by CCP. But thats why I'm here aint it? Happy days. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 17:45:00 - [54] Originally by: Freyya bye griefer Ok, you keep changing the rules; 1st it was a way to reveal the cloaker, now it's time after time again. Anyways, send me my bill as i linked a killmail on page 3 that shows you how to do it. null Grief the griefer Provide a juicy target which he knows he can take or escape if it goes wrong, cloak a bomber next to it, wait till he makes a funrun or actually engages and shoot the crap out of him. If he doesn't take the bait after several belts/whatever then he's actually afk and thus nothing to worry about at that time. What also helps is to then have a few friends in system and this bit is important; They are ratting in PVP TANKED SHIPS INSTEAD OF YOUR COOKY CUTTER NPC FITS and can warp (stay in same fleet) in whenever sh+t hits the fan. They are making isk and are on standby in case. That's 2 ways to reveal, trap and kill a cloaker. Now i'm not greedy but i'll take the 1 bil instead of 2 for 2 ways to do it. Those solutions work every time after time so put up or shut up. The ball is now in your court. /me starts to wait on several more excuses to avoid putting up. A single killmail is not proof of a tactic that works to reveal and entrap and kill any Cloaky griefer. Whine all you like but by default your "Tactic" relies on the Cloaky Griefer just giving himself up to you or being revealed by accident. Because there is no tactic that will "FORCE" him to decloak is there? Try harder, repeating what you said earlier wins no points. And importantly no "one.." yes that's 1 Billion isk either. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 17:49:00 - [55] Originally by: Mag's Originally by: darius mclever (just one week without cloak whine from nc pets.... just one week.) Darius bud, they can't mine or rat solo. Shocking state of affairs tbh. Oh, would that be solo with the potential from an enemy hotdrop? Wow you must be good, tell me, how can you afford to lose so many ships one after the other? Come on do tell were all waiting to hear you can detect undetectable ships and tell if theyre hot dropping or just Griefing? (Holds hand to ear to hear.. silence..) Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 17:51:00 - [56] Originally by: Hauling Hal But you aren't complaining about docked pilots, so 'potential to do damage' isn't the issue. if it was you would be complaining about: Docked pilots, Cloaked Pilots, Logged out pilots. I am still trying to work out what you are actually complaining about, only I can't. I think the words you are groping for are "I won't." Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 17:56:00 - [57] Originally by: Mithius Fear Basically the OP is in dangerous space. He can't defend it so he is blaming perma cloaking. He will be back in highsec in no time You couldnt predict for peanuts sonny.. :) Most of my chars life has been spent in 0.0.. I'm not actually scared you know... You people seem to think my char is me lol. i'm a real person really. I dont confuse him with me. His game is important to me though as it costs me real cash. I wont have it spoiled by unbalanced abilities in the game. :) Raj.

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